His hands are too busy to muffle that bit of a laugh. Yes, he'd call that going well. He has a feeling Ekkehardt does too. (The little anecdote takes some of the edge off.)

"It's hard to argue with that," He says. Even as private as Ekkehardt can be, he's made clear how he feels. He's been there through... a lot.

"But I think, if we're both honest, you would mind your friends even if you weren't allowed."