He laughs. "Oh, no, definitely not," He says. "She kept most secrets to her family, but she was always a bit of a rule breaker too. We started dating in our teens and she sort of let me know then." And he'd thought it was a hobby thing at first and he'd bought her one of those dumb board game things with the dice. That was smooth.

"We lived a pretty mundane life, I think, after we got married. She didn't stop her practice but we were certainly more focused on normal things." On Coco. On each other. "Magic wasn't my world and most of her family didn't care for me anyway, so I wasn't really too bothered to keep it to the little things."